Posts by Sea Breeze

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WAR begins.

by lastmanstanding in

things are moving right along.

“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.

this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.

Sea Breeze

And now it ends.

Trump just announced an Iran / Israel ceasefire. Everyone please keep moving. Thank you for your cooperation.

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Time of the end - a TRINITY puzzler.

by BoogerMan in

(matthew 24:36) “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.".

(jesus seems to have forgotten to include the holy spirit not knowing either).

(acts 1:7) "he said to them: “it does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the father has placed in his own jurisdiction.".

Sea Breeze

The obvious answers are that God knows the time because he’s God, Jesus doesn’t know the time because he isn’t God

Wrong.

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The Coming Global Salvation - (Not Universalism)

by Sea Breeze in

the overwhelming majority of the early church leaders (fathers) were premillennial and believed in a literal 1000 yr. kingdom.

today, 2/3 of christians are amillennial.

i do not want to imply that amilennialists, are not christian.

Sea Breeze

They may try to dismiss it as mental illness, but that means that a very large number of mentally sick people are partaking of the wine and crackers each year.

Good point. This is probably why they made a change in recent years separating the GB from the anointed. Previously, it was the anointed who were going to rule the world through the WT corporation. Now, it's just the GB and their "helpers".

The result is that the 20K partakers can still be characterized as mentally ill and it doesn't give the appearance that the inmates are running the asylum.

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Sea Breeze

It is a brilliant business strategy.

The bottom line is that they promised a superior product than what Jesus was offering:

Unending Life vs. Resurrection (which requires a death first)

I believe that it really is that simple. But the question still remains:

What kept so many on the hamster wheel after everyone died anyway?

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Sea Breeze

Simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die. That's how they sold it.

The Watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!" It announced that millions of people alive at that time would not die before experiencing the end of the current world system and living forever on a paradise earth.

So the false hope of avoiding death, is what started the whole scheme of Jehovah’s Witnesses seducing people into rejecting the new covenant “for the forgiveness of sins”.

The “Jonadabs” were not even considered to be “Jehovah’s witnesses” originally. (See The Watchtower, August 15, 1934, page 249

Nor were they saved in the new testament sense:

The..."other sheep"... are...not even justified" - Wt. 38 pgs. 104-105

In other words, the “great crowd” still carry their deadly sin debt and are not covered by the blood in the new covenant “for the forgiveness of sins” (See Mt. 26: 27–28)

Jesus is not their Mediator according to church leadership:

"Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" (1986) pp.10-11

These are Satanic teachings and doctrines of demons, as predicted.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; - 1 Tim. 4: 1

So, instead of being resurrected, which is the Christian hope based on Jesus' resurrection as a guarantee, they simply offered a better deal.... one that basically said: "Why get resurrected? You don't even have to die if you join our church".

That's how they sold it.

- Sea Breeze

They lied. Everyone died.

141

WAR begins.

by lastmanstanding in

things are moving right along.

“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.

this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.

Sea Breeze

Journeyman and JoJo,

You guys are nuts.

The Iran regime exists for the purpose of genosiding Israel, the "little Satan". After that, they they want to kill the "big Satan" - The USA.

The Iranian regime is welcome to all the delusions they want to engage in. That is a Judeo-Christian ethic. But now, they are are without a nuclear program to carry out their religious delusional murders..... which is also a Judeo-Christian ethic.

Eye for an eye & Do unto others... It doesn't get done perfectly, but its a good model for freedom.

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The Coming Global Salvation - (Not Universalism)

by Sea Breeze in

the overwhelming majority of the early church leaders (fathers) were premillennial and believed in a literal 1000 yr. kingdom.

today, 2/3 of christians are amillennial.

i do not want to imply that amilennialists, are not christian.

Sea Breeze

there are various legends around the year 1000AD of mass conversions and subsequent “great disappointments”.

@AnonyMous - But you must admit that has nothing to do with the statements from the early church leaders. Some of them were trained by the apostle John himself, who penned "The Revelation of Jesus".

They simply stated that it was a literal kingdom, which is obviously what John thought since he was still alive and was consulted.

The point of this thread is : When we as JW's went to doors and presented a literal kingdom point of view, as twisted as it was with all the heresies about a two-tier salvation, it was an anomaly to at least 2/3 of the Christians and totally new to the unbelievers. It resonated somewhat.

Many scriptures supported this view and it gave a false impression that the JW's were really smart.

Those blind sided by this tactic just lapped up the poison when they were further led to reject the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins".

The reasoning was: Surely if the JW's were right about the literal kingdom, they couldn't be wrong about the new covenant not being available to everybody, right?

It was all just another Satanic misdirection, with a little truth mixed in.

It took me a long time to figure this out. It is so obvious now.

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Few JW leader have children

by slimboyfat in

it’s been discussed before that few jw leaders, past and present, have had children.

this is in contrast with other groups, such as the mormons, whose leaders have had a lot of children.

i wonder if this has impacted jw growth.

Sea Breeze

Russell had a failed marriage.

Rutherford had a failed marriage

Knorr was not married for the first 9 years of being WT president. Then his new wife complained to other sisters that he never consummated the union.

Fred Franz never married.

WT leadership have not been what you would call "family men". They have created the greatest family killing machine ever devised. They were all weirdos.

The produced the joke book - "Family Life". How dumb can people be?

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The Coming Global Salvation - (Not Universalism)

by Sea Breeze in

the overwhelming majority of the early church leaders (fathers) were premillennial and believed in a literal 1000 yr. kingdom.

today, 2/3 of christians are amillennial.

i do not want to imply that amilennialists, are not christian.

Sea Breeze

@AnyMous

There is not any evidence that the early congregation leaders believed, or set a date for God's Kingdom establishing in AD1025. That's ridiculous.

The early Church Fathers believed in a literal, earthly millennial reign of Christ, often referred to as chiliasm or premillennialism. Notable figures who held this view include Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Papias, Lactantius, and Commodianus. They interpreted biblical passages, particularly in Revelation, to support the idea of a future, physical kingdom established by Christ on earth.

Examples of early Church Fathers who held a premillennial view:

Justin Martyr:

He explicitly stated that he and other Christians who held correct views believed in a millennial reign of Christ on earth.

Irenaeus:

A student of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John the Apostle, Irenaeus also believed in a literal millennial kingdom, emphasizing a future period of earthly blessing and peace, following the Antichrist and the second coming of Christ.

Tertullian:

He was a strong proponent of a future, earthly millennial kingdom, seeing it as a time of joy and blessing for the resurrected saints.

Papias:

His writings, though mostly lost, are known through the works of others like Irenaeus. He is known to have held a premillennial view, likely influenced by his connection to the Apostle John.

Lactantius:

He also believed in a literal, earthly millennial kingdom, emphasizing the restoration of earthly conditions to their original, pre-fall state.

Commodianus:

This North African writer around 240 AD also wrote about a literal millennium, describing the overcoming of Antichrist and the blessings received during that time.

Many early Church Fathers who held to a literal millennial view did so in opposition to Gnostic teachings, which often spiritualized or allegorized biblical texts.

They emphasized the physicality of the resurrection and the future kingdom, contrasting it with the Gnostic tendency to view the spiritual realm as superior to the physical.

While premillennialism was a dominant view in the early church, it eventually became less prevalent, particularly after the rise of Augustinian amillennialism.

Watchtower sidesteps the problem with the Millennium following the return of Jesus by making him return invisibly. Then, they claim that he also invisibly appointed the WT corporation as the visible representation of the kingdom of God on earth.

Only cults pull stuff like this.

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The Coming Global Salvation - (Not Universalism)

by Sea Breeze in

the overwhelming majority of the early church leaders (fathers) were premillennial and believed in a literal 1000 yr. kingdom.

today, 2/3 of christians are amillennial.

i do not want to imply that amilennialists, are not christian.

Sea Breeze

Found this on Quora. It is spot on. Hopefully this topic will open some eyes that the WT org isn't just a "different Christian denomination" like many believe, even after leaving.